Salina Cruz Surfers & Lifeguarding Association – Discuss
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Segment: “The association has 33 members and more than 16 work as guides or run a camp. Salina Cruz is going to grow, but we hope it will grow with order. And to do that, we need the association to work and the surfers that visit to help us.” — Cesar Ramirez, Union of surfers and Life-guards of Salina Cruz, A C
* SURFING Magazine put out an article last year that Cesar and the Salina Cruz locals didn’t like – in their opinion, they were disrespected.
* Cesar and crew put out a press release saying as much, and banning any and all media: photos, videos et al.
* They now have formed a “civil association” to control surfing tourism in Salina Cruz
* $800 to take a photo
* You must hire a local guide
I’ve stayed with Cesar. My experience with him was a positive one. I understand the local guys wanting to protect and manage their surfing resource. Nevertheless, this is a slippery slope. An interesting experiment. Surf travel has seen some good, has seen some bad. Everyone has an opinion about this type of action.
Some opinions from SURFLINE.com message boards:
“Seems to me, he’s got a good idea and a plan. so many ‘virgin’ surf spots have been screwed over the years by the soul surfers and pro/whore surfers that someone needs to try a different idea and try to plan and control the change…” – Chuck A
Hey guys, it’s only fair for Ceasar and the locals to protect their spots, and if they can make some much needed money by sharing it, I still think it’s better than getting your tires punctured, stabbed or beat up like in many Localism related issues in Hawaii or California. American surfers have run over every prime surf spot in Mexico but Mexican surfers can’t do that in the States,, not without a Green card anyway, and even so, they would probably be aggresively handled in some US Beaches. — Enrique
Seems they might have it half right half wrong. Charging those that benefit commercially from visiting their place seems right. Given that they are the very reason the place is going to get crowded. However, charging normal travelers for the experience, which is also part of this deal, is not cool at all. It breeds economic exclusivity and leads to only the affluent will be able to experience those places. This happens all over the place: Indo (Niawhatu), Fiji (not so much anymore), etc etc — Jimmy D
I think it is ridiculous to say that i have to pay someone to take me surfing. The ocean is free and for everyone no matter what country I am in. If i feel like exploring to find the waves why should i have to pay ridiculous prices to someone to show me my way around?? — Miles G
Extortion Mexico style,they’ll nickel & dime & hassle dudes for a few years & then they’ll inevatibly start fighting amongst themselves.Eventually they’ll just be run over by the runaway train that is modern surf crowding. –Jim
I cannot believe there are people here who actually support this idea. Are you out of your minds? It is so fundamentally wrong to charge people money to surf. Do you not realize what a dangerous precedent this sets all over the world? The ocean and free access to it is a god given right that everyone should enjoy. — Sppokweed
I’ve been traveling to Mexico for many years, usually to the Lazaro/Manzanillo areas. Only in the last couple have I traveled to the Salina Cruz area, all positive. The stretch is pretty amazing from there to Puerto in terms of surf, but the last thing I want is to spend my once a year, one week surf trip being led around by a guide. The entire purpose of traveling to new places is ‘the search’. So on my next trip to Nexpa I should probably expect a local to ask who my guide is? Great. — Todd
I travel down there often and absolutely love Mexico and appreciate their hospitality in and out of the water. When I go its with one person only and I dont “kiss and tell” so to speak. I take minimal pics for my memories, nothing else. Also Im in agreement with some of Cesar’s actions. However, while there, I pay rental car fees,gas,food,lodging,etc.. That being said, now he wants people like me to some how find a local trustworthy “guide” to escort me to said breaks. Thanks. — Travis
SURFLINE: What happens if you come across visiting surfers who aren’t with a local guide?
CESAR: The area is all sand dunes. There are no restaurants right on the beach, hotels or anything. The only things you’re going to find are the waves and us. Nobody else goes there, not even the Army. So when somebody shows up in a rental car or something, we tell them: ‘It’s good you’re here, but you need to hire a local guide.’ That’s only for foreigners and doesn’t apply to Mexicans no matter where they’re from. But the thing is…if we let people just show up, you’re going to have 50, 60 guys in the water. This is one way to control the crowd.
Segment: Salina Cruz Press release:
We are informing you that we surfers in the area of Salina Cruz have come together and lawfully formed a civil association for the protection and care of our beaches before it is too late; our indignation and anger are because of an article published in a U.S. surf magazine in 2011, which wounded the pride of the local surfers in this part of Oaxaca. This made us decide to ban all digital and printed media for a period of 2 years in which all foreign professional cameramen will not be allowed to take pictures or videos.
The result of this article helped us realize that we ought to work together so that our beaches will not be exploited by people outside of our community.
The main objectives of our association is that all local surfers who belong may benefit in having a decent job based on what they most love, which is to be able to surf and at the same time to help take care of and direct tourism, to preserve the environment or to be able to enjoy the waves of their home break, getting the respect that they deserve.
To the foreign surfers who visit us for a safer trip:
Most members of our newly-formed association for several years now have been offering lodging, transportation and guide services to surfers who visit us and it is important to emphasize that we all are from this area of the state of Oaxaca; for that reason, we recommend you hire the services of a local surfer for either a guide, photographer, lodging or transportation, thus helping the local economy, since Oaxaca is one of the 3 poorest states in Mexico; and in this area, foreign tourism is seen as easy prey for crime; the small villages and the ranches don’t like strangers speeding down their village roads where the townspeople go about quietly or walking through their crops to check waves or to try to get from one beach to another.
On several of the roads we use to get to the beach, they are now installing rail barricades to prevent the small rental cars from driving through so frequently or getting stuck and blocking the farmers from getting to work with their tractors or carts.
To the foreign surf industry:
Beginning in 2012, you will be able to work in this area either by hiring local photographers or bringing your own photographers with their own permit from the National Institute of Immigration which will authorize them to work in Mexico and/or helping the association to raise funds to be designated for the following causes:
-material and equipment for the lifeguards
-repair and maintenance of the roads and holes in the villages near the surf breaks that each year get ruined in the rainy season, leaving these small villages cut off from other towns for weeks.
-training of surfers and lifeguards to offer aid to the general public in the event of any natural disasters.
Cleaning and monitoring the beaches
We want Salina Cruz to be a surf destination free from foreign
control and the economic revenue derived from tourism to be for the sole benefit of the local population and the visitors’ stay to be pleasant, safe, comfortable, worry-free, and fun!
Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace.
Union of surfers and life-guards of Salina Cruz, A C
By way of this present notice we allow ourselves to inform all that we have legally organized a civil association in this city of Salina Cruz, Oaxaca, called Union de Surfistas y Salvavidas de Salina Cruz, A.C. (United Surfers and Lifeguards of Salina Cruz A.C.), which has for its objective that of carrying out the following activities:
1. To promote and carry out sport, cultural, ecological and environmental activities for the promotion, dissemination, and teaching of water and beach sports in the ocean and on the beaches for the benefit of the general public and for the management of donations with financial support or other kinds for the various organizations of government, non-government, national as well as foreign.
2. To provide continual up-to-date professional training of its members with regards to: life-saving and rescue, first aid and other activities that relate to those issues in national or international organizations, as well as relaying the acquired knowledge to public and private groups that may request it.
3. To lend support to the Federal and Municipal Governments, civil organizations and private institutions during the vacation seasons for monitoring the swimmers at the most popular beaches with trained personnel in life-saving and rescue.
4. To lend support to the Government Institutions and civil associations in implementing the plan for emergency and disaster response of the Marine plan and DN3 in the marginalized and indigenous communities and their inhabitants.
5. The promotion, dissemination, and teaching of the sport of surfing for all those interested with whom the association has contact, organizing events in the schools and for the general public.
6. Participation for the association and its members in cultural, sporting and educational events in Mexico and abroad; and collaboration with universities and government and non-government agencies on issues of interest and for the benefit of the general public.
7. Advancement of social action, focusing on and benefiting the social, cultural, sporting and environmental conservation activities in accord with the objectives of this association (cleanliness, protection and conservation of beaches, destruction of the eco-system caused by human actions or lack thereof), through the different forms of media.
Salina Cruz, Oaxaca, March 8, 2012
Official announcement: USSSC A.C./SC/001/2011
8. The association shall be able to obtain all types of donations and support, goods and real property, as well as meetings for agreements and contracts necessary at national and foreign levels with national and foreign agencies to carry out the objectives of the association.
9. The association shall be able to accept all types of donations so that private and public institutions, decentralized and informal organizations, the Federal Government, local governments or public or private, foreign or international municipals or organizations as well as meetings for agreements and contracts can put into effect whatever is necessary for the achievement of its objectives.
10. The association shall be able to manage projects for the conservation of waves and the artificial creation of them.
11. The association shall be able to promote exchanges between the interests of the association, on behalf of its members, at the national and international level, with other groups, including those with sporting, cultural and environmental goals.
12. The association shall be able to establish alliances or agreements with those national and international organizations of the surfing industry and to manage the national and international financial backing from private businesses for the promotion and perpetuation of the sport of surfing and the activities derived from it in the southeastern region of Oaxaca for the purpose of maintaining cultural exchanges and social, cultural and sporting benefits with national and international organizations, related to issues of surfing, the environment, education, health and music.
13. The association shall be able to participate in the production and the management of written articles, documentaries and films related to the region’s surfing and the members will be trained in the editing, production and post-production of sporting and educational videography and photography.
14. The association shall be able to monitor and keep the beaches clean as well as to safeguard the natural resources of the area, to protect the endangered species and to assist bathers at the beaches, providing lifesaving, rescue and tourist information services.
15. The association shall make their work, contests, cultural events, studies and research known, through radio, television, internet, press releases, CD rooms, fairs, events, conferences, workshops and by whatever means necessary for the dissemination and promotion of the sport and culture.
16. The association shall be able to promote, encourage and support sporting and cultural projects to develop ways to show the interaction of the sport with the environment and cultural heritage of our state of Oaxaca, and to perpetuate the artistic and cultural values that may arise, which will contribute to an increase in awareness of the need to preserve the rivers, seas and oceans as well as the natural sources of the waves.
17. The association shall be able to participate in commissions and regional boards regarding the water resources and coastal management.
18. The association is non-profit and shows no partisan persuasion, political-electoral or religious.
The association shall have the following leadership:
Jose Ricardo Camacho Calderón.- Director of Sporting Affairs
Aldo Ibarra Teniente.- Director of Cultural Affairs
David Ramirez Salinas.- Director of Environmental Affairs
Cesar Gustavo Ramirez Salinas.- Director of Social Media
Santos Humberto Gomez Cortes.- Director of Training
Keops Santiago Espinoza.-Director of Beach Supervision
Secretary: Yair Uriel Monrroy Camacho
Treasurer: Gustavo Alejandro Frey Loa
The purpose of this press release is to introduce ourselves and to be of service to the governing body of this municipality in order to support it in the activities being carried out for the benefit of the people involved in the activities described above.
Thanking you for your attention to this announcement, without anything further, receive our best regards.
Ricardo Camacho Jose Calderon
Director of Sports Affairs
Lieutenant Aldo Ibarra
Director of Cultural Affairs
David Ramirez Salinas
Director of Environmental Affairs
Cesar Ramirez Gustavo Salinas
Director of Social Media
Humberto Gomez Cortes Santos
Director of Training
Cheops Santiago Espinoza
Director of Supervision
Uriel Yair Monrroy Camacho
Alejandro Gustavo Frey Loa
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The $7 billion surfing industry is rooted in an environmentally friendly image, yet surfboards are as toxic as ever. Michael Stewart sees a way to bridge the gap.
by Todd Woody
Forbes magazine published this article by Todd Woody about the surfboard industry being some sort of TOXIC SECRET… waaaat?
The writer failed to give this subject proper perspective. The intent of the article was to shed light on :
“to create an industry certification standard for environmentally friendly surfboards to give surfers, from pros to weekend wave warriors, a scientifically sound green choice.”
In other words, a stamp of some sort that says, “Hey, congrats, you are buying a sustainable surfboard rather than a toxic one.”
Surfboard manufacturers can certainly green up the process. What a perfect place to start — cottage industry et al.
… the surfboard industry isn’t hiding. Surfers aren’t hiding. We are actively pursuing alternatives, we have been for years, surfers as a group and the surf industry as a whole is extremely environmentally conscious, and to suggest that we have some toxic secret is a JOKE.
I would suggest, however, that the carbon footprint of the entire surfboard manufacturing process is minuscule. If you want to point a finger or a co2 stamp of disgust check out the rapidly growing travel industry, which sells the fantasy of tropical escape on the shoulders of massive 737 Co2 output (now there is a secret worth revealing). In fact, although I’m no expert, I bet one round-tripper to Indo spits out more toxic emissions than a lifetime of polyurethane surfboards ordered by either you or me.
Are surfboards toxic? Sure. So is the ink FORBES magazine uses. The ship that hauled those FORBES magazines across the Pacific from Asia? Yup, toxic as Three Mile Island. Well, maybe not that toxic.
I find it laughable that the article made surfboard manufacturing to be some sort of evil toxic secret that we should be ashamed of. I find it misleading that the FORBES sub-heading suggests surfboard industry is a $7 Billion industry.
The article failed to address that boards built in the USA must pass through vigorous federal & state regulations from the EPA, OSHA, etc etc. Boards built overseas? Not so much.
I do look forward to the day all my boards are made out of more environmentally conscious materials. Nevertheless, I’m proud of my surfboards, the heritage of the surfboard industry, and the important role it continues to play in our culture — no matter what materials they are made out of.
Too early to tell whether shaming the industry into change will work, but knowing surfers the way I do, I doubt that strategy will be effective. You and I would love to see Kelly Slater on an environmentally friendly surfboard — now that is strategy I can get behind (who knows, maybe this article finds its way into Slater’s hands).
Hopefully some good will come out of this article. Disappointed the writer kicked the surfboard industry in the balls; especially with that absurd headline and sub-heading.